What Hitachi Tablesaw Is This?

[Whaler]

Bill

My thoughts go out to you and your brother.

I had the heart re plumbed 6 years ago and am schedualed for an artery re placemrnt in my leg on the 29th.

It's **** to start falling apart but they can do wonders nowdays.

Keep the faith.

Dick

[hermit]

He is in my prayers.

Todd

[Ryan F]

He is in my prayers also.

Ryan Flaherty
http://home.kc.rr.com/myworkshop/Workshop.html
BT3000 is just a toy. Isn't it?

[meika123]

quote:Originally posted by DUD

Whatever your believes, think about him. Thanks, Bill

If You can't be good for nothing, do it for free!


Bill, the power of prayer can work wonders. Just place his care in the hands of the Lord, and have faith. HIS will be done.
You, and your entire family are in my prayers.

Dave in NC

[TheWoodWizard]

I'll be praying for him and I will light a candle for him.

Things worth doing,are worth doing right the very first time!!

[Stytooner]

Bill, is that the same brother that came to the beach with you?
He'll be mentioned in my prayers too.

Lee
http://www.leestyron.com

[DUD]

No Lee this is my older Brother, he is 64 and has a family burden as well as a health problem, thay's why I am so concerned.
I go to the VA a lot for my work to be done, bu I expect that and have learned to live, my Brother keeps wanting to load the wagon to heavy. I hope to take some of the burden from him.
Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. Bill

If You can't be good for nothing, do it for free!

[Flores]

Bill, my prayers go out to you and your brother. I had an uncle who lost a foot to Diabetes because he didn't take care of himself. They then had to amputate above the foot, then below the knee. I wish him well.

Flores

[enorwood]

Bill, I also want to express my hope and prayers that your brother gets through this episode in good shape. You can rest assured that the heart specialists in Memphis are among the best. I had bypass surgery there 5+ years ago. The heart is great now although the left leg is still somewhat numb. If he can be helped, he's certainly in the right place. Peace.

-Earl

[lrogers]

My thoughts and prayers as well. Hope your brother is home and healthy soon.

Larry R. Rogers
The Samurai Wood Butcher
http://community.webshots.com/user/splash54

[leehljp]

We too, are praying for you Dud.


Hank

[MSGHBS]

Yes your fellow forum folks will pray for your brother's health and we will JOIN and agree to agree in faith that the Lord will be with you during this time. I reach out now and join with the others.
God bless you and your family.
Herb

Herbert B. Spencer

[DUD]

Thanks Everyone, we just brought him home, his leg is inproved tremoundously and his foot while still looking bad is on the mend colorwise and size wise. I know the medications helped, but that is not what made the bacteria leave his foot, prayer is what did it, cause without it he would still be in terrible danger.
I believe in the forums you find and develope friendships that carry you through the bad times, again Thanks for your help. Bill

If You can't be good for nothing, do it for free!

[Flores]

Bill, glad to hear your brother is home and doing better. Tell him to take care of himself. I was diagnosed with Diabetes last year, my blood glucose level was around 600. Needless to say, I had to learn how to control it and I am glad that pills is all I need, as opposed to insulin shots.

Flores

[bobbyb2112]

Cast iron table w/ steel extensions. T-Slot miter gauge. Blade tilt gauge mounted in table. Aluminum rails with micro-adjustable rip fence. Blade height and tilt controlled by separate, front-mounted wheels. Motor mounted inside cabinet. Ported dust pan on botton of cabinet. Sturdy stand with cam-locking casters. Saw it at Lowes and remember price being $499, but did not bother to note model number. Checked Hitachi's website, but struck out. Appears to come as a complete package. If anyone knows the model or has an opinion, I'd like to learn more about it. Thanks.

[monte]

I found the Hitachi C10RA2 but I don't believe that's the one you're talking about. Must be a new model that is not on the web yet.

[messmaker]

Do we have a new player in the $500 tablesaw war?

[Tool Fool]

Our local Lowes have been carrying a $300 TS for a while now, but it may not be the same saw your speaking about. The $300 model didn't appear to have much to offer over a BT3100 or even a Delta TS300, but I haven't taken the time to get overly familiar with it. Time will tell if there's a new $500 saw on the market....especially if it's a contender, we'll hear about it! [8D]

[maxparot]

My local Lowes has been displaying a Black & Decker / Firestorm TS as a cheap contractor saw entry but I wouldn't give that the time it takes to really look it over

[bobbyb2112]

On the surface it appears to be patterned after DeWalt's DW746, except that it comes with rails and a fence, has steel vs. cast iron extensions and has separate up-front blade adjustment wheels. I really liked that feature along with the blade tilt gauge mounted in the table. I also think that the motor cover was on the left side of the saw instead of the right like DeWalt's. And I'm pretty sure the on/off switch was mounted for left-hand operation, which is probably the only thing I don't like about my BT3000 (that and the shim problem).

And to be honest, being a fan of the Boston Celtics, everything looks best in "mean green"! If I were rich, I would have bought it on sight and submitted a review. Not being rich, I'll read about it for weeks, over-analyze everything about it & keep my little Ryobi. I consider that little sliding miter table on the Ryobi invaluable. But I'd still like to find some more information about Hitachi's new offering. Guess I'll be heading back to Lowes (to drool).

[BrazosJake]

quote:Originally posted by messmaker

Do we have a new player in the $500 tablesaw war?


Yes, we do, I've seen them at 2 different stores, 1 didn't have them priced yet, I believe the other was $499? Very interesting saw, wish I could find some specs. Has a bevel gauge in the TT, bottom completely sealed, I think it's a belt drive but no motor hanging out the back.

Also a new Hitachi 13" planer and another, cheaper 10" TS, not the one they've always carried.

[jnesmith]

quote:
Also a new Hitachi 13" planer and another, cheaper 10" TS, not the one they've always carried.


Apparently, a new Hitachi 10" BS too. (See my post regarding the same in this forum)

[sergei]

It looks like Hitachi is making a big move in the tool world. From what I've observed, Makita is out at Lowes and Hitachi has taken over as the 2nd largest behind DeWALT. However, I have not seen the first Hitachi tool at Home Depot. This is tough to figure out. HD and Lowes probably have real similar supplier/vendor requirements and it is obvious Hitachi can comply with Lowes. Why not HD??? And if Hitachi really wants to become a major player they would have a greater likelihood of success with a presence in HD.

FWIW, I own several Hitachi tools and have been extremely happy with all of them. The 12V drill is a heckuva deal.

[silverfox]

Yup...Hitachi makes a LOT of tools. Tools that many of us never even see because of their specialty nature. They make good stuff. If they make a strong move into the WW field with some of their higher end stuff at their traditionally good prices they WILL be a major player.
Mike

[r1968]

Hi Guys
I am a new member and this is a good opportunity for my first post. I a building my garage shop and I was initially looking at the bt3100 exclusively. When I saw the Hitachi a couple of weeks ago I started having second thoughts on the choice of TS. Here is what I have learned so far. The Hitachi C10FL is exclusively sold thru Lowes. It is made custom for Hitachi by Rexon of Taiwan on a hitachi design. It is a 15amp induction motor that is wired for 110 by default but can be rewired for 220. The fence seems rock steady but I did not try hitting too hard since the sales guy was around. The top is cast iron so are the trunnions. The 2 leaves are stamped steel. the top witth the leaves is a standrad 27 X 40. It does seem a lot like the dewalt 946 design. The mobile base is surprisingly good and very sturdy (included with casters). The saw comes with a very good 40T ATB Carbide blade from Hitachi France. The dust collection seems fine. I will look further and report. There is a bottom pan with a dust collection port. Looks like this might work very well. The most interesting thing might be 5 yr warranty that hitachi is not extending accross all its tools.
Having said all this i think that the bt3100 is still the best choice for a home shop and together with this forum makes a pretty tough choice to beat.

[gdog]

Here is a link to the saw on Lowe's sight:
http://www.lowes.com/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=159372-46578-C10FL
The Hitachi bandsaw is a 12 incher. I have one of their drills, it is rock solid.

[Whaler]

I saw the Hitachi $499.00 saw at Lowes today and was impressed. I don't think I would trade my BT3000 for one but if I were a new buyer I would consider it.

[Hoover]

I have looked at the saw several times, trying to get info from the Lowes' site, and the Hitachi site, forget it. How do they expect to market their product? I wish them the best, but in order to access the info, before you buy is, well, important at least to me. I do have a 10" Hitachi miter saw, which I believe is well built, but to find any info on it, is hopeless. If you are interested in the table saw, it looks to be a sturdy built, and well put together saw. If you buy the saw, let us know how it worked out for you.

[wassaw998]

Lowes dumped most of their Delta line and replaced with mostly Hitachi. The dumping part was great as I got quite a few items at 50% off and better prices. Gota assume the reasoning was mostly $$$ related, I would guess Hitachi gave Lowes a better deal than Delta.

The HD's by me never carried hardly any of the Delta line, so I would not expect to see them trying to match the Hitachi line. Personally, I prefer the Delta line, but Hitachi has a good name, I just don't know much about their line. (most of the stuff at Lowes I have never seen before).

HD has a Delta TS (36-675) on clearance for $399 that I would look hard at were I looking at the Hatichi $499 TS , at least for a comparrison.


Who knows, maybe in a few years all of the Hitachi stuff will be on clearance as Lowes swaps to someone else !

[jnesmith]

I've been looking at that saw for a while now. It looks like a solid competitor for $500. I too was frustrated by the lack of info on this saw, and the new 12" Hitachi BS.

FWIW: FWW just had a real strong review of the Ridgid $500 TS, based largely on various recent improvements to this model.

[coach]

i have looked at this hitachi TS several times, and it seems like a well built and well planned design. i think it should be on anyone's short list for a $500 TS. i thought the micro adjustment was nice, but certainly not necessary. notice that it does have stamped steel extension wings. all-in-all, it seems like a good product. i like the enclosed motor and dust collection (somthing i might enjoy). i passed on it however to grab the delta 36-675 mentioned above. i didn't even make my decision based on price, i just like the rails and fence better on the delta. i probably would have bought the hitachi over the jet that was right beside it though.

[Stan]

Looks like they finally updated the Hitachi website.

TableSaw: Here (http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=250&arrPath=1,11,4,p250,)

12" Bandsaw: Here (http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=252&arrPath=1,11,55,p252,)

I bought one of these bandsaws this past January.

[Woody]

quote:Originally posted by Stan

Looks like they finally updated the Hitachi website.

TableSaw: Here (http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=250&arrPath=1,11,4,p250,)

12" Bandsaw: Here (http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=252&arrPath=1,11,55,p252,)

I bought one of these bandsaws this past January.

How do you like the bandsaw?

[Stan]

quote:Originally posted by Woody

quote:Originally posted by Stan
12" Bandsaw: Here (http://www.hitachipowertools.com/store_item.php?iID=252&arrPath=1,11,55,p252,)

I bought one of these bandsaws this past January.

How do you like the bandsaw?


So far so good. It's current resaw capability is limited to just over 4-3/4". Good power to the blade (advertised as 1hp turning a smaller diamater wheel).

I'm currently using the $4.95 blades sold at Lowes and expect that I'll be happier with some better blades.

I've been getting help from folks in the chat room with measurements and comparisons. It appears that the frame is close enough in size to a variety of the 14" saws that I'll be trying a Ridgid Riser Block kit and the Grizzly tension release bar before long.

As far as cutting goes:
First time resaw without guide post. (http://bt3gallery.fhauto.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=temp&id=DSC00009)
Cutting tight radius curves. (http://bt3gallery.fhauto.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=HeartBox1&id=DSC00001_001)
and
Just messing around. (http://bt3gallery.fhauto.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=temp&id=DSC00003)

[Andrew Benedetto]

The TS is 3hp induction motor(must be from a Unisaw),I do not think so at 15amp/115v, oh , like my Ridgid vac is 6.5 hp:D

[r1968]

The manual states it is 3 hp maximum developed. The actual HP is 2.25
Hitachi makes excellent motors for many applications. If history is anything to go by, this should be a pretty good table saw.
Raj

[germdoc]

quote:Originally posted by Andrew Benedetto

The TS is 3hp induction motor(must be from a Unisaw),I do not think so at 15amp/115v, oh , like my Ridgid vac is 6.5 hp:D

Maybe the horses are Shetland ponies...

[Knottscott]

I've looked over the Hitachi C10FL several times now, and I'm having a hard time warming up to it. It's seems "ok" in some regards, but compared to the competition, I think it lags and I see some serious disadvantages to picking this one compared to most others in the price range. My primary beef is the fence....I've seen three different setups and have yet to find a fence that will even slide. I've read of two other people that encountered the same "store setup" issues too. Even if it slid well, it would have been an average fence 10 years ago, but by 2005 standards, IMHO the fences on the Delta 36-675, Grizzly G0444, Sears 22114, Ridgid TS3650 and Bridgewood TSC-10CL are considerably better and more robust to boot. This list doesn't even include the higher end versions of the venerable Biesemeyer fence by PM, GI, Jet, and Delta. Also, the steel wings have no ribbing for strength...they're quite flimsy relative to it's competitors wings, three of which offer cast iron wings in this price range. The casters are a good idea in concept, but they require action to each wheel to lift and lower....that's 1980's Craftsman technology. If you're gonno do it, do it right! The Ridgid Herculift is lightyears better, and for the most part I'd rather get a decent $20-$60 aftermarket mobile base or build my own. If the internally mounted motor is intriguing to you, the Sears models have that covered, plus they offer cabinet mounted trunnions, serpentine belts, a better blade and a fully enclosed bottom....no dust pan needed. The Sears 22114 was on sale last week for $540 and comes with two cast iron wings and a ton more features....weighs in at 385.0 lbs! ($40 more that's well invested IMO!) Even the 22104 that goes on sale for under $500 has many similar advantages to it's sibling....although the fence on this one isn't significantly better IMO than the Hitachi's.

So from my perspective, it's really more a matter of the competition being pretty tough more than it is a matter of the Hitachi being bad. They introduce a new machine and they're behind the pack IMO....doesn't make sense. Add to that the risk of encountering the common woes of a new design, and I just can't find good reasons to pick it over others that are directly in the same class and price range. I also have issue with the grossly exaggerated claim of a 3hp motor....it'd have to get struck by lightning to achieve that....it's misleading and I'm disappointed that Hitachi would stoop to those games. There's not another reputable manufacture of this class of machine that's using those deceptive numbers. It clearly shows who they're aiming for....hold on to your wallets!

[r1968]

Was the 22214 available in the store or on line for the $540 price?

[Knottscott]

quote:Originally posted by r1968

Was the 22114 available in the store or on line for the $540 price?
Stores....until two days ago, but they offer it at that price about once a month during the Craftsman Club days. Lots of people get the sale price even after the sale just by asking, but it varies from store to store, and manager to manager.

[coach]

scott is right on about the hitachi ts. i checked it over extensively while at Lowe's last night, and i just wasn't impressed. the fence and rails are very light weight and had a cheap fealing to them. the micro adjustment is harder to use than it would be to simply set the fence in the first place. the arbor is to the right of the blade, which just seems weird to me. i did like the angle indicator, probably the best feature of this saw. i think for the cost, this saw would fall very short on my list.