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Old 04-10-2007, 07:14 PM
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Skil X Shop Table Saw Model # 3700-01

Okay, guys. I know this is "dark side" stuff, but I haven't found a BT3100 so far and the Craftsman 21829 is out of my budget range right now. There's a Skil X Shop available used "never been turned on" for $225.00 relatively near by. I have a 12 X 20 shop, I'm a occasional weekend wood wrecker, so flexibility and compactness are important to me, which is what attracted me to the BT3100 in the first place. Does anyone have any experience with one of these? By the way, the Skil is on Craig's List at http://jackson.craigslist.org/for/285526297.html

Thanks in advance for any input.
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Old 04-10-2007, 07:57 PM
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I remember seeing it in Lowes a couple years ago as an all in one workshop and did not think all that much of it but have never used one. You might want to check out the Hitachi portable table saws such as in the link below. If you can find anything you like at Lowes [including the Hitachis] they are 15 percent off through tomorrow. Good luck.

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Old 04-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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Thumbs up Skil X Shop?

I don't personally have any experience with that saw, have only seen it on display at lowe's or wherever it was I was at that day (can't remember).

I looked it over and thought to myself that the idea of an all in one type of shop might be a workable idea for someone with limited space,budget,etc.
I already had my BT3100 and wasn't interested in buying right then.

I think that if you are just starting out in woodworking (small projects,
minor improvements around the house and such), this saw will probably
give you a good starting point to refrence from later as your abilities,skills
needs all progress. Don't expect 6 months or a year down the road for this
size of saw to be able to do everything you need or want,you will quickly
find out it's limitations and quirks and have to be ingenious about ways to work with and around them to accomplish the tasks at hand!

If you buy this saw, be sure and get an owners manual no matter what...
it is very important to have it, read, understand and follow their recommendations on set-up, maintenance, and safety precautions, etc.
they are their to protect you and instruct you. If you follow these and other safety related guidelines, you will be a lot safer, happier and have
fewer headaches down the road! Remember this...the most dangerous tool
that you have in the shop....is the one you are using RIGHT NOW!

If you do these things that I made refrence to...I think the saw will be a good
entry level one for you...get it enjoy it and make some sawdust.
Hope this helps with you decision....eezlock
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Old 04-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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IMHO -

Multi-purpose machines sound good, look good and are a giant PITA from a "practical use" point of view - except for the most occasional use.
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Multi-purpose machines sound good, look good and are a giant PITA from a "practical use" point of view - except for the most occasional use.
I'll agree with my friend Rod.

Even the BT3x with the "built-in" Router table is only good for beginner's usage, as good in some ways as it is.
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Old 04-11-2007, 12:27 AM
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I had a cheap $89 benchtop saw that looked almost exactly like the xshop. The xshop was a LOT more, and had options which only added to the cost, and yet didn't improve the small table or poor fence (particularly the poor fence).

If you ended up with something like this, I would QUICKLY look at Norm's portable tablesaw extension table from a few years back.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:27 AM
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I have no experience with the X Shop and I agree with the comments made so far but assuming it's in good working order it could be good for you. It really depends on what you want to do with it. If you occasionally have a need to cut or route or sand or drill with a bit more precision than a hand tool can provide then you will have the capability and smaller projects around the house will be much easier. Could be very useful.

But if you intend to do larger or more complex projects or are a stickler for dead on accuracy you will get frustrated with its limitations very quickly.

You could always get it and sell it one once you have a better idea what you need and/or have more budget.

It's sometimes useful to have a particular project in mind when you buy a tool since that way at least you have a reality check on whether you are under buying or overbuying for what you need to do. To give an extreme example - don't even think about cutting up a 4X8 on that thing.

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Old 04-11-2007, 07:46 AM
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Okay, you guys have convinced me. I've just got BT3x00 table saw fever. LOML just came to me and said "We're getting a tax refund, just go on and buy the one you want." Unfortunately I'm the budget keeper and a Dave Ramsey man (financial guru and radio talk show host) and I can't bring myself to pay list for the 21829. Plus, I figure I'm spending an extra $100 for the mobile base that I will never even assemble. I plan to build my own mobile base - I've got the HF $89 special on homemade mobile base now. If I sell the Craftsman mobile base, I doubt I can get my money's worth out of it.

The HF was damaged during my most recent move, plus after I ran a bunch of 1/4 inch hardboard through it, it won't run for more than 2 minutes. Not sure if it overheats or enough of the hardboard dust got into the motor to damage the brushes.

I found a Sears Craftsman 21825 for $70 in the Memphis area. If I can talk the guy down to $50, I may have a temporary replacement for the HF. From what I can tell the 21825 will be a definite step up from the HF, even though I'm not keen on the t slot miter gauge. Anyway, if I finally run across a BT3100, I figure I can sell the 21825 for a profit.

Thanks for the input. I really enjoy this forum.
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I think you should keep looking, or NOT have the expectations to make money on that Craftsman benchtop saw (21825). At least in my parts (and from what I have seen on other boards), some old arn Craftsman USA made Emerson contractors saws go for between $75 and $150 on average. They have a lot more oomph then those direct drive benchtop saws, and hold their value better. In my parts, a benchtop saw, will bring around $30.

I would wait and look for one of those. Have you joined the Craftsman club (21829 goes on sale occasionally)? What type of projects do you do? You might also look at a guided circular saw system. Just some more options.

There was a stand that went on Ebay, about 8 months ago, in Texas. I stopped watching it, when it got up around $150.
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