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Old 09-22-2008, 01:39 PM
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Cutting drywall to fit outlets

I have a room to drywall, and therefore need to do some outlet and switch cutouts. I've not had complete success in the past using the X-Y measurement method, so I'm thinking of using the Arc Mark magnet system (see http://www.blindmark.com/pages/arc_mark_kit.htm ) to pinpoint the cutout positions. Anyone care to report on their success using it on metal boxes?

That leaves the question of what device to use for cutting. I have a little hand drywall saw, but I'm a bit nervous about the possibility of cutting my wiring with it. And I'm reluctant to buy a Dremel or other brand rotary saw, as it's pretty much a one-trick pony.

Is it possible to use a regular Dremel tool, with or without the flexible shaft extension, and a "saw" bit on it to do a decent job on this kind of project, with less risk of nicking my wiring? Or a Bosch Colt laminate router, perhaps in an oversized template "frame"?

Or should I be doing the drywall cutouts before doing the wiring hookups, then do my insulation and drywall hanging? In which case the hand saw is probably sufficient for the quantity I'm doing on this particular project.
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Old 09-22-2008, 02:01 PM
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in my experience, the outlet boxes should always be flush with the room side of the drywall, so you can't cut the openings after you've installed the drywall, you have to cut them first and then install the drywall.

otherwise the "ears" of the outlets and switches rests on the edge of the drywall and can crumbel the edges, or if the opening is a little big, the outlets sink into the wall and the covers don't fit flush. By having the face of the box flush with the wall then the ears are supported by something solid.

Cutting before also avoids cutting into the wiring.
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Old 09-22-2008, 05:07 PM
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Put lipstick on the edge of the boxes. Put the drywall in place. Remove and cut on the line.
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Old 09-22-2008, 05:08 PM
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I have seen DW contractors cut the electrical box openings after the stuff is installed. It always looks ragged and messy, they seem to miss a few and cut some that are not there. Often the electrician will have to use over sized plates to cover the over sized opening. I am sure that some do an excellent job and only the bad ones did I see and remember.

That said, they do make a thing that fits on the box and when you press the drywall in place it marks the back side and then you set it aside and cut the opening. The Sheetrock saw does this fine.

I agree, the X Y method seems only to work on the last sheet and almost never with paneling.

Bill, been there, done that, did it again, and again and then chose the one closest.

Dang, lipstick, what a great idea. I do have to remember to check again before I post my reply.
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Old 09-22-2008, 05:17 PM
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While I haven't installed a bunch of drywall... I watched the guys do mine.

They measured to the middle of the box, put a small "x" in that spot on the drywall.

Then they put it up, secured parts of it and then took a rotozip-like tool with a drywall bit in it, and punched it through the "x", then moved it over to the edge of the box and just followed it around the inside of the box.

Then pushed the drywall over the box and added the rest of the screws.

All the holes were pretty nice.

There was a couple that they missed the edge of the box and made one "slot" a but too long. Easy fix.
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:07 PM
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You could try one of these.

I haven't used one, but it seems to make sense. Dryfit the gypsum without the outlet boxes cut, apply the Handymark to the box, push the gypsum against the outlet and its marked. After drywalling a new cabin, I realized that my girlfriends dad had purchased one of these and hadn't told me until I was done. I used the x-y method and it went well.

For cutting, it's a utility knife when possible and a jigsaw with a wood blade for interior cuts. Make sure its cleaned out once in a while to prevent it from gumming up. A bit messy, but very functional. The only hard part is getting the blade into the board, I was able to push through the 3/8 drywall quite easily.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:58 PM
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I have hung a lot of drywall. I've used both the lipstick method and the rotozip method. I prefer the rotozip method. If you use the lipstick method it helps to put some reference marks on your drywall so it goes back in exactly the same place. The rotozip method eliminatest that problem and minimizes handling the material since you can put it up and then cut the opening as opposed to puttig it up marking for the box then taking it down to do the cut.

For doing the box cuts in the drywall, nothing beats my rotozip.
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You could try one of these.
I've used the HandyMark. Works great. Before they were around, I used to put toothpicks in the small screw holes of the outlet box, and then would trace the punctures in the drywall using a cardboard template. Similar principle.
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Old 09-22-2008, 10:09 PM
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I think the lipstick idea would be great, or you could try to just push the drywall onto the box hard enough to leave an impression.
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In addition to the lipstick, you can also use chalk from a chalk box. Same principle as the lipstick but you need to wet the edge of the box. You can pick up a HandyMark at Lowes. The RotoZip is the best alternative in my opinion. Word of advice with the Rotozip & drywall; have a ShopVac turned on & a hose in the general vicinity when you are cutting drywall. A Rotozip & drywall makes a dusty mess but not when you have a ShopVac hose at the business end of that RotoZip.
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